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#16238 - 07/22/10 08:03 AM Scanners on newer vehicles
wptski
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Long time no post!

I sold my '97 Ranger with which problems caused me to purchase a scanner, AutoXray. Traded up to a AutoXray 6000 which I still have. I have a '09 Escape now.

Actron bought out AutoXray whom was easy to deal with, Actron isn't! Only one tool upgrade in '07 which was buggy, corrected in early '08 but they dropped some Ford Enhanced PIDs claiming as they were included in the Generic group. Do to a OBD-II bug in the '97 Ranger, some Grneric PIDs read zero, so Enhanced was required. I sent Actron a old scan and a new scan showing the bad PIDs, no joy!!!

Anyway, my AutoXray 6000 using the latest tool upgrade show only 37 PIDs on my '09 Escape but shows over 70 PIDs on a '02 Ford Taurus! I know that Ford made some changes to the PCM starting with some '09s. Seems like scanner manufacturers are falling behind on the changes being made or that's the what auto companies want! I think that a turning point was in '07 for Ford when they stopped putting memory locations in their PC/ED manuals.

Anybody else notice this trend of declining PIDs?
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#16240 - 07/27/10 03:57 PM Re: Scanners on newer vehicles [Re: wptski]
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The problem is the license fees that must be paid for access to PIDs. It's proprietary data.
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#16241 - 07/28/10 08:08 AM Re: Scanners on newer vehicles [Re: kozloski]
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 Originally Posted By: kozloski
The problem is the license fees that must be paid for access to PIDs. It's proprietary data.

If so, why wasn't that the answer from AutoXray/Actron?
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#16242 - 07/31/10 03:36 PM Re: Scanners on newer vehicles [Re: wptski]
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It all comes clear when you realize that there are in actuality thousands of data points and you only get to see the few that they choose to pay the license fee for.
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#16244 - 08/02/10 03:28 PM Re: Scanners on newer vehicles [Re: kozloski]
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 Originally Posted By: kozloski
It all comes clear when you realize that there are in actuality thousands of data points and you only get to see the few that they choose to pay the license fee for.

So it doesn't matter what scanner is used, you'll see the same amount of PIDs on all of them?
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#16245 - 08/03/10 01:31 PM Re: Scanners on newer vehicles [Re: wptski]
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You get to see as many data points as the scanner maker has paid for. It's going to cost you a bundle for a scanner that will show them all. A GM TechII is $3000 and up. A cheap charley consumer scanner is bound to be very limited.
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