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mekelly
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posted 02-25-2006 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mekelly   Click Here to Email mekelly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 1996 Dodge Grand Caravan is throwing a P1768 code. It doesn't appear to be shifting into overdrive. I can't find the specific Dodge description of this code and what needs to be done to fix it.

Can anyone help?

thanks!

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jeff compton
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posted 02-25-2006 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeff compton   Click Here to Email jeff compton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you give me a little more info like what engine you have I can probaly find the exact code description for your van, I assume you have the 4 spd tranny, I don't remember exactly what 1768 is but it is tranny relatted. Does your speedo work, when you say not going into overdrive do you mean feels like it's not shifting from 2nd because if so the tranny is in limp mode and requires repairing. What happens if you clear the code will it shift normally for a while or no. Can be a simple fix like a speed sensor or if your familiar with chrysler tranny's in minivans can be bad, what's the mileage and the service history on the van, ever had the tranny rebuilt.
Here's hoping it's only a sensor. Keep us postted

Jeff

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mekelly
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posted 02-25-2006 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mekelly   Click Here to Email mekelly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jeff compton:
If you give me a little more info like what engine you have I can probaly find the exact code description for your van, I assume you have the 4 spd tranny, I don't remember exactly what 1768 is but it is tranny relatted. Does your speedo work, when you say not going into overdrive do you mean feels like it's not shifting from 2nd because if so the tranny is in limp mode and requires repairing. What happens if you clear the code will it shift normally for a while or no. Can be a simple fix like a speed sensor or if your familiar with chrysler tranny's in minivans can be bad, what's the mileage and the service history on the van, ever had the tranny rebuilt.
Here's hoping it's only a sensor. Keep us postted

Jeff



Jeff,

I have the 3.3L engine. A new transmission (this one) was put in at about 65k miles. The car currently has 143k, so this tranny has a little under 80k on it. The codes were cleared yesterday and it ran ~60 miles before throwing the code again. It does feel like it won't go in the next gear. RPM's were about 3500 going 45MPH. In driving it some more later today, it's now shifting properly. But, I can't get an emission sticker because of the code stored.

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jeff compton
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posted 02-27-2006 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeff compton   Click Here to Email jeff compton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any warranty left on your transmission?
It sounds like a speed sensor issue or an electrical issue for the transmission.
Those tranny's are completely computer controlled so if any wiring going to and from the pcm and tcm is damaged or the speed sensors are dropping out then the transmission stays in 2nd to protect itself, pretty easy to pinpoint with a scanner but get it looked at quickly or you'll have more headaches then an emissions sticker.

Good luck and keep me postted

Jeff

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jeff compton
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posted 02-28-2006 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeff compton   Click Here to Email jeff compton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay here it is, I knew I'd find it
P1768 TCM (tranny control module) relay output always off
Okay what it means is that the PCM (engine computer) is not seeing the relay for the TCM
turn on. Can be as simple as a new relay, should be in the fuse panel next to the battery under the hood, switch if you can with another identical relay and see if it makes any difference, If it doesn't then you probaly have a broken wire somewhere in the harness between the PCM/fusebox area on the drivers side of the van and the TCM mounted on the pass side inner fender. Wiring issues are common on these under the fuse box and in the harness under the rad. Can also be a TCM issue as well although I doubt it with it being intermittant like you say. Probaly just the wiring, I've actaully seen these vans only misfire when put in reverse and clear out when shiftted because the harness is being pulled as the trans shifts in the cradle. Very common. I'd start by inspectting the wiring connectors at the tcm and pcm and fuse box and go from there, If your van has ever been hit in the frt end then I'd be looking at the wiring under the rad. Good Luck and don't drive it if you can help it till it's fixed, It's alot of heat build up in the trans when it goes into limp. The fuse panel itself can be a problem, but not likely, Good news is lots of used Tcms and fuse boxes in the junk yards. Better then overhaulling the trans
Half the failures on those transmission are electrical not mechanical and are misdiagnosed constantly, not uncommon to have a wiring issue be the root of the mecahnical failure.

Good luck and Keep me postted

Jeff

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mekelly
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posted 02-28-2006 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mekelly   Click Here to Email mekelly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Jeff for the work. I have the car at a transmission place now. They are going to do a 'pressure test'. We'll see what they come up with.

Mike

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Bob_K
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posted 03-01-2006 05:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob_K     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike, I found this article at another site. Read the whole thing. The link should take you right to the article. If not it is the one posted by GeorgeArthur3 on 03-04-2004. Interesting.
http://www.automotiveforums.com/t196775.html

Good Luck
Bob

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jeff compton
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posted 03-01-2006 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeff compton   Click Here to Email jeff compton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pressure test is pointless, the tranny will not shift properly until your electrical problem is fixed, Sounds like by doing a pressure test they're trying to cover there butts, If the tranny has already been removed then the odds that it is a wiring issue is even better. Make sure that they are using ATF3 and no other fluid for these "pressure tests", dexron with an additive is not the same and will lead to seal problems and clutch problems farther on
If this tranny shop isn't using a scanner to fix it and doesn't have the wiring diagrams or can competently read them then tow your van away as fast as possible. you require no pressure tests, you require an electrical reapir.
Keep me postted on this before you get too far into it

Jeff

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mekelly
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posted 03-01-2006 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mekelly   Click Here to Email mekelly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jeff,

Thanks again for all the help! Bob_k, great article, thanks.

I am going to pick up the van and check the wiring myself. The shop said they used a scanner and all the solenoids were working OK. They estimated the repair at ~$1,000, unless there's a cracked drum, then it would be more.

Again, thanks for all the help and I'll gladly buy lunch if you're ever in the Atlanta area!

Mike

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jeff compton
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posted 03-01-2006 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeff compton   Click Here to Email jeff compton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah that code isn't a mecahnical issue. it's stricttly an electrical one. When your tranny failled the first time what was the failure, broken parts, split case or was it codes? These tranny's get a bum rap but really the only things that really hurt them are:
dirty or wrong fluid
low fluid level
spinning frt tires on ice patches
running bald tires on frt axle
ignored electrical problems ie speed sensors

If anything there kinda over engineered being that the go into limp versus just loosing a gear like other manufacturers but that's another post. I work at a chrysler dealer and when they first came out in the mid 90's they did have alot of failures, alot electrically but really almost all of the failures we see on caravan tranny's now are a result of abuse and neglect.
unforunately the old days of driving a vehicle for 150 000 miles and never servicing the trans are gone, too many electrical solenoids and such inside them that dirty fluid destroys. Heat is a huge issue with trannys, towing anything larger then a 14 ft rowboat w/o upgraing the factory transmission cooler and increasing the service interval is just asking for trouble. It's my opinion but every factory
trans cooler that's combined with the rad should be plugged off and an external mountted. So many times on vans from 96 and up I've seen the trans cooler inside the rad fail and pump all the engine coolant into the tranmission. Instant and expensive failure. So sorry if this rant scares you but I don't want to see you throw 1000 dollars at something you can fix yourself.
Dinner would be great. Never been to "HOTLANTA" but I hope to one day, Ever been to Ottawa Canada, Probaly warmer where you are right now. Anywy good luck and keep me postted

Jeff

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Bob_K
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posted 03-01-2006 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob_K     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I might take you up on that dinner. Or maybe a coffee sometime. My mother and sister live in Lawrenceville. I get down and see them once in a while.

Good Luck
Bob

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